Visionaries Podcast

Designing Visual Content with Topher Welsh

Topher Welsh

In today’s Content Supply​ podcast, Dallin Nead​ speaks to freelancer & designer Topher Welsh​, who talks about his experience with storytelling and selling through motion design that captures attention.

Today's Guest

Topher Welsh


welcome to the content supply podcast I'm Dallin need and each episode we bring you an inspiring brand creator or message to help you discover how you can experience success in your business as we unpack stories and strategies about all things content and growing a successful brand so this is just a hole discovery process for all of us we feature a variety different brands on the show from entrepreneurs caterers copywriters marketers coaches athletes to designers filmmakers photographers and many more all brand owners all creators so it's my belief as with many others that every company is a Content company and has to be one to stay relevant and competitive because let's be honest the internet is so full of brands that it can be very easy to get lost in the crowd so quality and effective content really separates you that's why content supply was created to supply brands with ongoing custom content so they can engage with their customers by providing value telling stories and making more sales and when we say content I'm talking about video and audio and written or image all and everything in between all those content creation and building a business is really hard you never finish the building and creating even after you experience some success you have to keep going on in the journey content supply was created to be resource a community and a solution to fill that large gap of content so thanks for joining the show now let's get to the interview so today we have on Topher Welsh he is a Seattle based content creator motion designer video producer he's into VR virtual reality so he has a really interesting store and we take this conversation this podcast and different avenues different ways because we talked about his stories his experiences his expertise get a little techie a little nerdy and then we also talked about some stories from his life and career that are just very powerful so I hope you enjoy and without further ado here is the interview with Topher so to get right into it tell me more about yourself well I am a motion designer in Seattle well I live in Tacoma and I commute to Seattle which is hellish to say the least but I make really cool stuff my master is kind of like I make awesome [ __ ] I'd like to make really cool stuff and so I do motion graphics I dabble in virtual reality I mainly work in After Effects with motion graphics and I run the After Effects Seattle user group and it's like one I think it's one of the largest these groups in the country which is pretty cool and we've had that for like a coming on nine years I think though and we got like I think 1,700 members on Facebook right now 500 600 I meet up and we consistently have like 80 people at our meetups every single month so it's always fun that's great so how do you host those events um so we actually kind of have a partnership with Adobe they supply us a room they I think they call it Adobe you still but it's actually at the building where After Effects is actually created like the dev team is there and so we actually have a lot of a lot of the dev guys come to the meetings and we can actually pick their brain which is always really cool but we have we hosted at Adobe and I usually present all right I go up and I'll introduce and welcome everyone and then we jump into a speaker or two like last month we had Matthias from max on Simba 40 he came out showed all the new stuff and max on we've had Parker Young he did a huge expression series on YouTube that he released for free but he gave to have a primer to that at a Seattle Casey Baker pad Jose Rodriguez and that man tons of plugin companies come out we just it's great to have like a place where all the motion people and pretty much anyone any kinda graphic designer can come in and hang out with other like like-minded people because I mean there's not very many motion groups I mean there's like Photoshop groups and illustrator groups JavaScript groups but there was no like motion video groups and so I found that little niche thing captured it and I made it eight nine years ago and it's kind of grown into a huge monster and we have meetings every month so that's insane so how did you start it you identified that niche that ever you want to focus on how did you start to find people with I mean Facebook or Facebook that wasn't going around when I started it I don't think I don't think we were you well I think it was like college only when we started it but I remember I was working at Fox Sports media or something like I came to vote it was called it was basically MySpace sports and that was like their only video editor and this is before like YouTube was things so like he had to stream wmds online and it was just a mess and so I was working there and I was like man I was actually working right down the street and I was like man I really wish I could like hang out with people that do what I do so I just worked with all these like marketing people and web devs and they I didn't know what they did and they didn't know what I did and I was like I really wish there was a thing I'd seen this thing on After Effects New York and it was gigantic I was like why don't we have that heater then I called Adobe I was like hey is there any user groups going on and they're like no but you here's all these resources you can set them up so I set one up and for about four years we had about 10 people at the meetup every single time and then we started we got kind of a core group of people together and we kind of just started pumping it more and Facebook helped we start putting on Eventbrite and meetup and we put some money into the group and it kind of just blossomed from there and became what it is now so but yeah starting it was just it was it was mainly like the just kind of being like oh no one's doing this I should do this and it was it to meet like-minded people and build a community that you wanted like the connection was it - I can't even more like income like is there much money make from it now there's I mean the connections were great that came with it and that was kind of an afterthought because when I started it was just kind of a stupid kid and and I I just really wanted to like make more like motion friends cuz like I I'm actually self-taught in After Effects and so I hung out in forums and I you know I did all like every tutorial Under the Sun and you know I just I eat lived and breathed After Effects and I wanted to learn more but like I didn't know anyone in town and I lived in Tacoma I was commuting so I really didn't know anyone because Tacoma is way smaller than Seattle so it was let's like no one's doing it why isn't even doing it I'm gonna do it and so I just did it and it was mainly just to meet people and then it kind of turned I realized that oh wow well this is kind of nice people kind of know who I am after a little while oh I can use this to my advantage and then I started you know kind of building a brand around that a little bit using my name and just and kind of used it to my advantage since I was the guy who founded it so and so it sounds like that's produced a lot of work for you like freelance work um it's produced a ton of connections and I mean a lot of freelance work because I've always had pretty steady work I freelance for a little while like just freelance but I've been doing like steady work for a while but I mean it's really nice because like now I get hit up about jobs like every day but now I have this huge like network of people that I know I have known for almost 10 years now I'm like oh yeah this guy's a killer at expression so this guy is great at you know minimal minimalist type animation or you know if you need character work go to this guy and so it's really nice to have like that huge core group and it's like even if I can do something not gonna like bid on I can always find the right person and I always tell people always hit me up about that like if I turn down work I'm like I'll find you the right person just hit me up just let me know and it's been really cool that way because I've been able to like establish myself as like a kind of kind of a source for other people to try and get more work and they can some people come like rely on me like hey you're here buying this and nobody oh yeah hit this person up and I'll talk to recruiters and all these things is pretty cool that's great well after fixes it's an interesting platform and product because I mean starting nine years ago I mean it was after effects cs5 or earlier cstr first like release party uh meeting I think it was the cs6 launch okay and it was actually like a lot of people there actually mult Annan was there remember malt Hannon from melting uncom he's a tutorial guy it sounds familiar he's the OG after fact is he like motion works like there was like John Dickinson Andrew Kramer Montana in the Harry Frank yeah so the four guys that like taught me everything I do yeah and so I actually got to meet him he's from Poland no way yeah and he had gone to nab for the first time that year and then we'd come back and then the first little meeting thing was there and then named Georgia he'd come back and he's like I'm speaking at some college in his shoreline he's like can I come to the meetings like yes please I'll pick you up this is amazing you were celebrity to me and we hung out up at a gas works for a little while and with the meeting it was just really cool and it's just like I wouldn't be able to do something like that because I got it cuz the group it's totally cool so well tons are produced well for those who don't know what is motion design and what is After Effects so motion does that so you can take graphic design graphic design is you know still stuff motion design is essentially taking anything that you can create and making it beautifully move and look really cool and animation animation on screen like you know getting like basically digitally doing motion design and I was a terrible that was a terrible definition of motion design to expound on that too we see motion design in more ways than we realize you think of like new stations right they've got kind of the metallic the dramatic that this is their really SportsCenter type motion design on networks I'm gonna flip side there's the more like comic based like more cartoon base style motion design where it's more colorful and more like solid colors it's kind of crazy because like motion design spans so many different things because I mean motion design can essentially be like cartoons it like but like motion design is also UX design when you develop features for an iPad app or if you are you know designing screens for a new product at Amazon or or VR to you know yeah you mentioned your vention I mean you been in VR for a while so yeah I've been doing the VR things like you know I bought a vibe like a year ago and it's just been awesome virtual reality I mean it's it and that's a whole nother game too because I know in LA there's a handful of animators or artists who a friend of mine who just recently left Disney animation to work this startup who's focusing in VR so he's their character creator artist and so he's creating these characters in the V this V our reality this virtual reality space and it's so fast I mean it's it's you know we're just on the cusp of you know VR and that's a whole nother conversation beyond just but but that's another four motion design yeah when you think of motion design it's essentially anything so you can have motion design you get a 3d design so like when you have like 3d character animator work okay animate character work that's more unlike the 3d animation stuff like heavy 3d is like that and then you can have like the motion design so like when you have like the menus or like the UI layouts within VR and they have to you know when you tap things you have a downswing an upstate and all that stuff and you know make different things happen at different you can you can do all that with in motion design but it kind of just it's this huge thing of like anything you can create basically can be motion design with I have no idea well I lost my drive up but I mean it's true though like to piggyback off that like anything you can create digitally can be modified and animated yeah I mean and it's even real objects you think of it I mean in a sense it is a there's a motion design element to it yeah I mean it's essentially just if you feel like you can call it a motion design piece and you're proud of it and you spend a lot of time on it and you have made something really cool and you you know animated something if you might call motions I mean all motion design if you want to call 3d you wanna call 3d or you wanna call it you know traditional animation you know a traditional animation but I mean at the end you just it's all art and that's kind of the cool thing about like making really cool things is just it's art and you can express yourself and you can always put a little bit of yourself into your end of your designs and starting the user group how does one begin community how do you start finding people that share your believes share your interests and how do you gather them together Facebook Facebook some really good starter keep in mind it's pretty slow to start at least mine was it's not an instant gratification thing at that so you're looking for but yeah Facebook groups is awesome that's been like our main platform for After Effects Seattle we invested in Meetup early on and that's slowly grown over the years I think the key to just not only just starting the group actually having like regular events because I seem tons of After Effects groups just died over the years because they're either like in the middle of the country where there's not a huge design scene or they just don't they have like kind of lacks admins and they just don't like really organized stuff too much or it seemed like a good idea at the time and then it got to be too much work because it's a bit of work I mean - you know schedule people keep track of everyone do all the prizes all that stuff like it's it's a bit of work and so I mean you have to know what you're signing up for but I mean starting the group is just a great step for like I I gotta say it's one of the things that kind of helped me realize that I had a brand I didn't really know when I started doing video and stuff I didn't really realize that I was making myself into a brand as emotion artists cuz I was just going out and like going to get a job and like I wasn't like freelancing I didn't really have like the topher brand so using the group really helped to boost that name recognitions so like whenever anyone thought of a you Seattle they thought of me because I ran it and a couple of other guys that have also helped run it over the over over the years it's also been really great helpful for them too because they also get kind of get that name recognition with it as well and so when you're starting it it's just it's put in the effort work really hard give 110% and just don't really give up I mean that's really it sounds really rah rah rah but I mean it's really what you have to do well it's definitely easier said than done for sure well I mean nine years nine years is a lot I mean to to fought like - what sort of nurture I guess did turn nurture that group and starting from one that idea and growing it to 1,700 especially with how specific of a group that is I mean After Effects being an Adobe program it let alone one that definitely separates the video ad I mean that there's a group video editors the crafts designers motion designers is not it maybe you can correct me wrong it it's not as big of a group well is getting to be way bigger lately and that's like though it's really interesting it's like when I got into video I knew video was a new video was gonna be huge in college just because like films did so well I was like we have WMDs on on MySpace there's gotta be an easier way for this and if you can do these now it's only gonna get easier to put video online and I was like I need to be the person making those videos in Tacoma because there was no one doing it at the time really and so like realizing where my niche was I was oh so realizing where that I wanted to do that it I kind of called it right because motion design has gotten so huge because most designs gotten so huge because it's kind of gotten its claws in like every industry so like back in the day like UI design and UX design was all like hand-drawn or done in Illustrator and you deliver boards now like put together your stuff in Illustrator you poured it into After Effects so you move everything around and not only now you're not only just like saying imagine this is what this would look like when it popped up and then this is it's gonna move over here but you could just like animate in the show everyone yeah it's just it's so much easier it's so like in that industry it's just gotten huge UI design like now you have everything has screens everything has screens there's billions of apps like there's no shortage of like motion design jobs now because like it's just the way the world is going like everything has to have good motion design or else no one's gonna buy the freaking products to piggyback on top of that you mentioned about brand building for yourself your name motion design the opportunities are just expanding that markets exploding the same could be said of brands in general I mean not only has the internet opened up this I guess floodgate of opportunities as for entrepreneurs online to make money and to find certain specific communities to build from square one but you can get very specific by groups you can focus on certain social media platforms MySpace back in the day some of these platforms die down or just completely disappear mine you know does MySpace yeah and it's amazing how the market explodes and expands and that also means the competition experience but the opportunities expand to its regardless of more competition that means more opportunity yeah I mean what you're saying look like brands like there's this more opportunity to create brands now I think like anyone can create a business now back like when I was like 12 I could create a lemonade stand and that was about it I couldn't go market myself I couldn't create a page on Facebook I couldn't like I could create a geocities website but who's gonna go to it you know I can go on my kid go online right now and make a Shopify like fidgets spinner website and just sell fidgets pairs to his friends like it's like the entrepreneurial egg a like anyone can be an entrepreneur now anyone could then it's just way easier now because now you just have so many more avenues to get yourself out there but I mean along with that now everyone's getting themselves out there so you have to stand out and that's where like good design comes into play where good marketing comes into play good content comes into play like all these different things but I mean there's no shortage of opportunity which is nice which means there's our shirt off to buy for us there yeah there we go full intention of tapping into talent like yours to help support the content there and and it's you know there's like I said there's all these brands and they're even without like a steady supply of content apart from blog content writing content man they're just they're striking gold you know and it's it will be interesting how the entrepreneur industry online maybe bubbles or expands or how it evolves but right now it's you know there's plenty of gold the end of the rainbow there's a lot of opportunity that's for damn sure there are projects that are pure art there are projects that are mix of art and business or having a deal and you know incorporate the corporate side or the analytical side of you know you have to make decisions based on analytics and not just based on your personal preference or passion how do you how do you kind of draw the line or do you care that there is a difference between the passion and the business side I guess you'd say well I mean at a day job you kind of have to go with you know looking at the analytics and stuff I do that a lot with my current job we you know analyze what worked on ads and what didn't work on ads and what to do more of and why do this one succeed versus this one doing that so like when it comes to a marketing aspect you have to look at those things but I mean when it comes to like a passion project type thing you know I've done a lot of projects Brian's like lost money or because I just want to do it or like because or like it just takes ways you time too much time and I'm way too into it but it's just so great and then when you're done you're just like and so like there's like a balance when it comes to it so but the cool thing is is like when you're also creating these passion pieces you also keep it in mind that you want people to want to share it you want people to like have an emotional response so like you're still paying attention to those things of like what have I seen like what I'm creating right now what have I seen that is similar to this but you know it hit on these right points and it hit those those triggers and people that made them want to be like this is a great message let's put this out there I wanna hit share when I share and you have to consider those things too like when you're creating things because if you're the only one enjoying your stuff I mean now for me the satisfaction I get from making a personal project is seeing other people like holy crap that's awesome share and like not even knowing who I am and seeing it get out there that's the really cool thing and you know you have to use the marketing aspect of that in the personal project to get it to that point well and you have to find - as far as you and I being the you know creators and artists versus say business owners exclusively comparing it to kind of the Hollywood experience you know in movies you hear that there are directors those artists who make the experience specifically for the audience in mind they just want the audience to be strictly entertained or there there's those diehard independent filmmakers who just couldn't you know not give a care for what the audience thinks and just like I made this for me yeah because there's a story I wanted to tell and and there's a specific very specific audience for that but um there there's definitely there's oh and obviously there's the side of you got the accountants making the decisions yeah for the show business side of things and it's to me it's very interesting to compare each of those worlds because maybe it's a project a project basis so that happens but I I would agree with you that I think the majority of artists seek after and they love the acclaim and the accolades or just the affirmations that are received from the audience and that not the sense of like oh look at me like you know I look out you know good I am it's more of just it's it's that kind of full circle like artistic experience I guess yeah where where you you develop something for your heart and soul into something you create it and if it doesn't you know you want to be able to share it and whether it's a story element or whether it's just really awesome yeah it's really nice I think I think the biggest thing like when you're an artist that doesn't just do your art for yourself like there's people who like paint on the weekends and they hang their stuff in their sunroom but like what we do is we make things and we want people to be able to be like that was just that was not that was great I want more people to see I want my mom to see this I want my brother to see this we want that type of experience and I think when we see people getting joy from the things that we create it it's an information for us be like hey we're doing something right but also it's like oh yeah they like what I created I created some sort of good in the world and that's always kind of a it's a really cheesy way to say it but it's a when you can create like the positive vibes or you can create like that the good emotions or like something like that it's it's very it's very gratifying so you bet your positive vibes where you also mentioned the audience to have an emotional response what is it about the motion design you create that get people to want to see it well my day job is mainly to get people to click ads I'm one of those guys I I make things that make people want to click but I don't make like the click Beatty type stuff I make things that look very interesting so I have to like I have to take all these other designs I've done and possibly have failed at and say don't do those things and then I find all the ones that I have done I say oh these are these things work you know like when I animated these emojis this way and I had them come out of this phone I can tell from you know these these other ends of work these other has it haven't work it's my job to find the things that evoke emotional responses and people to want to click or do want to say oh yeah I'm a small business that's what I need or oh that person on the screen clearly is killing it other social media I want to to and it's really hard to get a person on the other side of the screen to think that and it's just is it's a very difficult thing but when you get something that hits and it works you're like yes that works but it works perfect and so it's um it's kind of I I do a lot of data type analysis as well but then I also just kind of it comes down to not just the data and what works its what looks really cool and like does it move does it does it there's a jump around is it is it gonna make the viewer like like I just scroll or like you have to like think of those things you know yeah we're completely you're talking about Facebook ads I mean obviously there's the autoplay there's no sound though the whole thing is I think half the Facebook ads I end up seeing are typically shot and cellphone yeah you know it's the just the DIY people don't have the filmmaking or the design experience to execute on those things but it's it's more its kind of lazy add in some ways yeah but but yet it can be effective if done with captions or whatnot but at the same time the motion design that you would put into a Facebook dad would get more of like a visual pulling yeah I mean we've piggybacked off of ads we've seen online that looked like garbage but we're like wow these guys are like getting a lot of hits on this like what are they using what is the thing that they are getting their clicks off of and we'll find out if it's like the visual or maybe it's the like the story and so we'll build a visual story along with like next like a similar story that they had or things like that like you can if you find what works it's it's kind of like it's just a very hard journey it really is it's just yeah it's constantly trying on air oh yeah you're always having experiment one what works this week might not work next week or you know what works this summer doesn't work in winter or like if the Seahawks are playing maybe your stuff will be or your clicks will be like way down or maybe you need to focus on local base things or like it's just these all these crazy I don't know these crazy data points where you have to like find a way to support it and make your ad look cool make people want to want to click it make people want to like connect with it essentially you know totally so there's this guy named Fred pepper right and he calls himself the flag bearer and he sits off of it it's either exit 6 or 7 on I 4 or 5 going up to work and I had been passing by him for like nine months so I started working in Bellevue I think was like a year ago when I was at Microsoft and I'd seen this guy when sleet snow hail like the guy is out there every single day and I'm like what is this guy doing he's got a powa flag and an American flag he's got Seahawks Jersey on he's got big old long gray beard he's right outside the Seahawks training facility and I've been going by him for months and I was like it's really nice day I'm gonna stop and like see what this crazy dudes doing you know I half-expected and just be some nutjob and I went up there and I was talking to him and he's up on the bridge and he's waving the flag and the guy is 60 well he was 66 when I filmed him the next day it was his birthday he told me that and I was like oh this is cool so start talking to me he tells me that he's um he's up there to raise awareness for suicide prevention of Vietnam veterans or veterans in general and he's a Vietnam veteran and he just says he stands up there every single day so I'm this morning it's I'm just a Friday morning he says that he says you know you are loved someone cares about you out there don't give up and he just repeats it over and over it's like you were loved you're you you were special you know and he stands up there and he's just so so selfless just being out there it was just really really cool he was and I walked up and he was talking to another lady and I kind of waited my turn you know to talk to this dude in the overpass and and I'm like hey man I just I really want to talk to you and like you know see what you're doing up here and he told me a story and about how he died like he's been doing this he used to do it on the i-90 bridge one time he one year he back what I think when Bush was in office or Clinton they were trying to cut the VA budget by three like million or billion dollars something that so he protested that by walking the flag carrying the flag from Olympia to Washington DC Olympia Washington to Washington DC uh he had some people with him and he stopped at like VA some people gave him rides but like the VA supported him the entire way so like he always wants to like give back and he's just this really really amazing I was like III listen it were talking I was like can I cut you off cuz you were like about to make me cry because you're amazing can i film you i had my iphone on me i was like i'm gonna film you can let's just let's just talk tell me tell me your story dude and it was a totally spur-of-the-moment thing and he tells me the story and he's crying on camera like tearing up talking about like how much he cares about everyone how much he like how it feels to like know there's people out there suffering with mental illness and he stands up there just to let people know that they're loved that they're special that they that someone out there cares about them don't give up and he does it every day and I heard that and I was like holy [ __ ] this guy has been on this bridge for nine months even longer and I've been driving past him and I had no idea and I I was like do you mind if I take some footage of you I'd love to like make make a video about she's just this amazing Persis like yeah by all means do what to do what you want man and he was telling me a while he's telling you a story he's like yeah my birthday's tomorrow I'm turning 67 tomorrow I'm getting kind of old you know it's really hard to do this I'm like holy crap so I went home and I shot it in the morning and like 9:00 a.m. I went to work try to leave work as early as possible cuz I want to go home and edit this and I stamped a four o'clock in the morning texted Fred at 4:15 when I posted to youtube I was like happy birthday dude and it said and on the end it says you know today is Fred's birthday if you go by give him a honk or if you ever see him get monk and it got just this crazy response online I think it was like 6,000 views in the first day on Facebook which I know isn't like crazy by like YouTube standards and stuff like it wasn't a million hitter but like for local like Washington Seattle Tacoma people like people weren't messaging me saying like I cried so hard watching this this is amazing I have a family member that was affected by suicide and our family's been affected by suicide and all this stuff and like I got this crazy response and it was just it was really heavy and it was like the hardest thing I've ever had to edit my entire life cuz like I cried a few times was anything cause like like Fred was so genuine and I wanted to like I had such an emotional response just talking to him I was like I want to make something about this guy I I have to make something about this guy everyone drives past this guy everyone drives past this guy no one knows I want people to know and so I filmed him I put it up online and about a week later King 5 news got in touch with him I helped set that up they did a huge news story on him he was on TV and stuff and now like every time when I go by him he always has people stopped I mean he had people stopped before but like people stop all the time I'll stop by and say hi they'll be like three or four people were there talking to him can we give him high fives like you drive down 405 it's just like a sea of horns just because everyone's pop like honk at em it's just so cool the guy is just like he's just it's just a really interesting person just super nice and just I don't know he's just got a lot of heart and I want to show everyone that and that's like what that's like my favorite personal project I've done like in a long time a long time it was a great story that was well and you know what like sharing that story incorporated so many of the questions into one yeah around like emotional response of a video like you know what does that it's it's story time right it goes back to just something that's real and authentic it's like you had no sales objective behind the video no you had no you know you weren't trying to accomplish anything like okay what's the right word yeah yeah yeah it's you know there's no there's no like specific big motivator well you know what's funny is like when was making that piece I felt a little guilty and then I kind of put it out of my mind but I felt a little guilty because like when you're making something to tell someone's story you want to make it so that people share it and stuff but then you also like you want people to like identify with it to share and then you're like am I trying to like manipulate people but it's not like that like you have to like kind of put it out your head a little bit but like I I've always had that weird thing like it's kind of the like if you're in a sales job you're always like kind of weird to some of your friends yeah when you're making something that's like super emotional and like a really touchy piece but you want it to go big you really wanted to go big you you would love for it to be like a viral video but it's not the biggest thing but you might do the things that would you know maybe push it in that direction it's okay if it doesn't hit that yeah but you wanted to get a big response if you can because you want to reach those people and you want to share that story and I wanted to share that story with as many people as possible and that's kind of like it's kind of where it comes into like using the tricks that you know and using like the content marketing tricks that you know or the stuff that you've learned throughout the years doing your job you know you can use these things to your advantage to also tell really good stories but also then to get out to the masses so solid so your motion designer you do some UX you do some VR you do some storytelling I mean that's a great example story telling right there where can people find you if they want to learn more so I have a couple of different places I'm on twitter at toe underscore fur Facebook just look for me Topher Welsh I'm thinking the only Topher Welsh in the world because I think I'm I think I'm number one on that and that Google search but and then also I if you do have any sort of VR headset or a Google cardboard or something like that me and my friend Eugene Cap'n also have a VR talk show on multiple platforms we'll say that right now but we host it on the alt space platform you we hosted on the alt space platform we're also going to hopefully be on a couple new platforms soon but it's really cool because you can actually go you could put on a VR headset and you're now in this like comedy club type of room where me and Eugene are in front of you on stage talking to each other like we're standing next to each other but he's in like LA and I'm in Tacoma and it's like we're next okay what's up dude what's going on we're like fake hands shaken and and we have this huge like audience and promise like hundreds of people and we can like call on people but all these people are like in there like living rooms or bedrooms or they want and so you can go check that out it's a glitched a VR talk show we don't have a website for it yeah actually because it's pretty new but have you have you launched in the episode yet uh so we were doing episodes on old space and we did I want to say six episodes five or six episodes and then alt space kind of took a very scary dive and everyone thought that all space was gone forever and then someone threw a bunch of money their way and now they're back and so we're gonna be back hosting on the alt space as well as a couple other platforms and then yeah let's see you can follow me oh my youtube my portfolio is Topher the video guy but I also have a channel nuclear wookie as well and then VR nation I didn't really that's an awesome tag by the way hey I got a reddit user name yeah it was like oh I'm saving that one screen cap YouTube and then my websites toe - murong like a hotter foot so we mentioned content and brand building throughout this episode if you're overwhelmed with running your business and you know you need more content especially an ongoing constant supply of content that's custom all in order to take your brand to the next level then make sure to learn more and check out our website of content supply at content supply that I owe so thanks for listening everyone and we'll see you on the next episode


Dallin Nead

Dallin believes in putting family and God first.

He's the Chief Vision Officer of Content Supply, Advisor to multiple startups, serial entrepreneur and an award-winning producer.

He helps brands create authentic, results-driven media so they can share their message and vision with the world.

He helps brands clarify, create, and communicate their vision for a happier, more meaningful life, business, and community.

He consults with small and large companies including Princess Cruises, U.S. Marine Corp, Teachable and many others.


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